Robert Stark and Francis Nally (aka Pilleater) talk to The Flower Heart about Asian American culture, and immigration and demographic trends, particularly in the San Francisco Bay Area. The Flower Heart, whose moniker is a Chinese expression for being a player, is a second generation Chinese American who grew up in Oakland’s Chinatown. You can read his articles on Substack.
Topics include:
-The history of Chinese immigration to the US
-The divide between older Cantonese and more recent Mandarin speaking Chinese immigrants, the former which The Flower Heart is from
-How Indian h1bs are replacing Chinese people in Silicon Valley and the degree of tension between those two groups
-Contrasting The Flower Heart’s experiences at diverse Alameda HS and majority White and affluent Miramonte HS in Orinda
-How many Asian youth from the East Bay emulate Black culture
-How The Flower Heart’s mom joked that she sent him to a majority White HS because it was less hypercompetitive than an Asian school
-How White/Asian mixed marriages are more common in White areas like Orinda than in Asian ethnoburbs
-How a mixed Asian/Latino ethnogenesis is forming in certain East Bay cities like San Leandro
-When The Flower Heart’s dad recently sold his house in the majority White suburb of Danville, Indian families purchased every new home
-How the future is ethnogenesis forming along class lines rather than either balkanization or a melting pot
–The gender dynamics between White and Asian couples
-Francis’s demographic observations from New York and Philadelphia
-How most assimilated Chinese Americans are moving to the suburbs
-Is K-pop responsible for rising Asian male desirability?
-Reasons that Asians voted Republican in the past but are now more Democrat
-How Asians are having a political moderating impact on the Bay Area
–Pulling Up The Ladder?-The Child of Immigrants Makes the Case for Moderate Immigration Restriction
–The Flower Heart’s debate with Walt Bismarck over high vs low skilled immigration
-The reasons for conformity and favoring lucrative career paths over self-actualization in Chinese culture
-Why The CCP will invade Taiwan to maintain its legitimacy
-How Seb became interested in HBD and selected his moniker after Arthur Jensen
-Seb’s background, being raised Mormon in Spain to a Mexican dad and a White American mom
-The implications of GWAS testing of genetic variants in normalizing HBD
-Why Seb predicts that HBD won’t be normalized until the 2nd half of the Century due to mass climate migration
-How fertility is starting to converge among the races
-Why fertility is crashing the most in 2nd world nations
–The validity of breeder selection theory, that demographics whose fertility crashes earlier are at a long-term advantage
-The growing fertility gap between liberals and conservatives
-How the middle class being more risk averse than both the wealthy and poor explains their lower fertility
-The degree that assortive mating exaggerates genetic traits among class lines
-How intelligent men tend to select more for facial beauty over secondary sexual characteristics
–The reasons for the decline in Mormon fertility
-Whether racial mixing will make society more or less racist in the future
-How non-mixed Whites are bifurcated between woke or colorblind and identitarians
-How Seb predicts Whites, Hispanics, and Asians to a lesser degree, to mix into one same race, while Blacks remain separate
-How mixed race people with White fathers often have different personality types than those with White mothers
-How automation/AI may ease selection pressures against those who are unemployable due to intelligence or personality traits
–The implications of gene editing/embryo selection in the future
-Why Seb is not a hereditarian reductionist which undercounts the importance of nurture
-Why the incel issue is getting much worse in the US than in other developed nations
-Why wokeness is declining in the short term but may resurge in the long term
–Why Seb predicts that society will neither collapse nor get better
-The launch of New Ritual Press and Robert’s review of its Spring Equinox Party
-The reception and success of An Odyssey Of Dingbats!
-How the book has multiple references to oral s-x, including some real-life incidents
-What is the proper way to pronounce fellatio?
-Omar’s dream about Matt going down on the actress Jessica Lange
–Omar’s interview on the Soft White Underbelly (Inside The Autistic Mind)
-Omar’s inspiration for An Odyssey Of Dingbats, including as a homage to A Confederacy of Dunces and Story of the Eye
–Omar’s cover feature in the literary magazine, Beyond The Last Estate
-How An Odyssey Of Dingbats is more than silly sex humor and has some deeply emotional moments, as well as surreal horror
-Omar’s artwork which is featured throughout the book
-Omar’s love of David Lynch
-The theme of the grotesque in both David Lynch’s and Omar’s work
-The cliché of people trying to find meaning from Lynch’s work and why art does not need to be explained
-Omar’s hometown, Gardena California, and how places are characters with a life of their own
-The background of why Omar has a southern accent
-How a lot of young Latinos don’t speak Spanish
-The conformity and narcissism among many young people
Robert Stark casually chats with his friends and fellow authors, Matt Pegas, Omar King, and Adem Luz Rienspects. Omar has his debut novel, An Odyssey of Dingbats! out in February, and Adem is the author of Mixtape Hyperborea and has a podcast, Static Blue. (Please excuse the background noise and interruptions as we recorded while eating dinner in a crowded restaurant, after a long day at the Hot Spring)
Topics:
-Matt and Adem’s observations of the LA fires from Encino
-How Matt and Robert used to hang out at the Pacific Palisades Starbucks that burnt down
-Whether the Palisades will lose its charm after it rebuilds
-Politicization and class warfare narratives about the fires
-Adem thinks we must have respect for the power of nature
-The philosophical debate about attachment to possessions
-How tragedies, including natural disasters and death, are great equalizers
-The bidding wars and soaring housing costs on Westside real estate
-Robert thinks Adem looks like Luigi Mangione
-How we saw a lot of nudity of both genders at the Hot Spring
-How the crowd at the Hot Spring was upper class coded
-Robert’s adolescent trauma regarding the Palisades
–Filthy Armenian’s podcast about Elliot Rodger and Isla Vista
-Why upper class coded areas like the Palisades and Montecito have a high concentration of attractive people
-Whether the fires will cause White flight out of SoCal
-Why Omar hopes they don’t gentrify his hometown Gardena
-Adem’s thoughts being from Phoenix that people there tend to be philistines about art and culture
-Adem’s description of Scottsdale, Arizona
-Omar tells Robert he needs to “check himself before he wrecks himself,” regarding his oral fixation
-How Adem likes living in LA
-Contrasting LA’s dark energy with the spiritual rejuvenation of the Hot Spring
-Omar tells Robert to strive for excellence
-Adem’s literary event in Paris, France
-Adem’s South African Jewish background and his recent trip to visit family in South Africa
-Adem’s observation that South Africa is as dangerous as people say, with terrible race relations
-Adem’s observation that South Africa’s White upper class has an exceptionally high amount of attractive women
Topics include:
-How rural areas are treated like internal colonies
-How the rural vs urban divide plays out in dissident politics
–Sam Francis’ Leviathan and Its Enemies and James’ Burnham’s Managerial Revolution
-The class divide in dissident politics
–The smart but poor demographic who don’t fit in with proles
-How both Robert and Mr. Raven share a downwardly mobile upper class and bohemian background
-Whether America has any aristocratic attributes as a mercantile nation
–The formation of ethnic and cultural enclavism
-How an economic downturn could accelerate enclavism
-Whether enclavism would lead to neo-feudalism
-Why Mr. Raven is skeptical of Curtis Yarvin’s idea of corporate run enclaves
-Why distributism and mutualism are superior economic systems to capitalism and socialism
-Mr. Raven’s essay on Medieval Craft Guilds
-How guilds can address problems of jobs, education, and credentialism
-The need for a tripartite system where different social castes share power
-Misconceptions about the High Middle Ages
-Hans Hermann Hoppe’s, Democracy: The God That Failed, a defense of decentralized aristocracy over centralized democracy
-How resource scarcity could breakdown mass society in the future
–Whether technology will continue to be a force for centralization in the future
–Mr. Raven’s essay on beauty and the role of aesthetics in politics and society
-How America undervalues aesthetics as a hustler society
-Why old money people are superior to new money strivers
-How old money vs new money struggles play out in politics
-The class dynamics in California
-Mr. Raven’s observations on living in San Francisco in 1991
-Why neither Robert nor Mr. Raven voted for Trump
-The case for Trump as a placeholder for preventing the other side from doing bad things
-The economics of the arts
-The problem of conservatives and populists being philistines on art and culture
-Art fascists, Wyndham Lewis, Ezra Pound, and the Italian Futurists
-The segment of the dissident right that is more culturally sophisticated
-Why Enclavism needs a pluralist dualism of diverse downtowns with homogenous bedroom communities
-Whether the AI/tech bubble is overhyped
-Competing narratives about accelerating innovation in AI vs technological stagnation
-Robert’s initial prediction that Kamala will win and why Meta Ronin thinks Trump will win (Note: this was recorded about a month ago. Robert’s current prediction is about 55% Trump win/45% Kamala win)
-Whether Substack is turning into Twitter
-Whether AI/automation will select for people who are more charismatic Chads rather than nerds
-Mark Zuckerberg’s archetype and his recent rebrand to humanize his image
-How the view that elites are evil is a cope but has some partial truth
-Why streamlining bureaucracy into UBI makes more sense than mass wealth redistribution
-The argument that UBI could be exploited as a State mechanism of control
-Whether taxing the wealthy more is dysgenic
-The genetic traits selected for by wealth from sociopathy to beauty
–What would the Great Class Swap look like if implemented?
-The film series, Zeitgeist and Fully Automated Luxury Communism
-How the poor are used to scare the middle class into compliance
-How the high cost of living in California selects for conformity
-The pros and cons of both YIMBY and NIMBY policies in California
-How both Meta Ronin and Robert have been exposed to a wide range of class backgrounds, which is the case for artists
-Why middle class people are often boring
-Why bottom up populism rarely succeeds
-How sexuality is often transactional and commodified
-The hypothetical scenario of incels orally servicing high status women
-The intersection of mysticism and sexuality
-The debate about the ethics of letting sexual deviants carry out their fantasies with AI
-How mate selection can often have negative evolutionary outcomes
-How men and women are different spiritually
-How both AI and natural beauty can alchemize the Jungian anima
-Meta Ronin’s life in very scenic Lake Chelan, Washington
-How aesthetics are a great way to win people, especially women, over to your political cause
–Kashif Vikaas’s Meta Right/Meta Modernism project
-Terrence McKenna’s prediction that AI will become a planetary nervous system
-How feasible is it to become financially successful on Substack?
Why do Gen X / Elder Millennial guys love Asian broads so much?
Jews as “hyper-white”
Jews are becoming Italian and assimilated Chinese/Indian girls are becoming Jews
The Iranian Jewish community of LA and the downward mobility of modern Jews
Differences between the Jews of New York vs. California vs. Florida
The guido culture of the northeast vs. the North Italian culture of San Fran
Florida and Arizona are both Nouveau Riche, but FL is self aware and AZ deluded
Phoenix’s inferiority complex toward LA
San Diego’s relationship with LA
Implication of a relationship’s looks differential in oral sex
Where does the opposition to age gap relationships come from?
In their youth millennial women would downplay age gaps with Gen X guys, whereas Gen Z girls either are opposed to age gaps or fetishize them (“daddy”)
Walt’s ambivalence toward monogamy vs. continuing his alternative lifestyle
Potential alchemical / HBD implications of oral sex
Edward Dutton’s argument that k-selected people are more into oral
Is receiving fellatio more or less vulnerable as a man than PIV sex?
Topics:
-Whether Robert should write an auto-biography or insider history of the Alt-Right
-The Background of Richard Hanania, who transformed from an Alt-Rightest to a pro-immigration libertarian neoliberal
-How both Robert and Richard are honest about their trajectories in a way that most people aren’t
-Meeting Richard Hanania in LA
-How Robert never explicitly identified as Alt-Right, and his earlier views weren’t actually that extreme
-How anti-intellectual Chuds have ruined the online dissident right discourse
-Matt’s political trajectory, voting for Hillary Clinton, and then coming across Robert’s podcast in 2018
-Robert and Matt’s Alt-Center project, after the collapse of the Alt-Right
–How Robert and Matt manifested Dime Square
-How Robert’s views were shaped by class and demographic dynamics in LA
-How Robert felt pressure to signal to more reactionary viewpoints
-Robert’s promotion of enclavism and phase where he adopted the rhetoric of the multicultural left
-Why Robert now has contempt for conspiracy theorists, anti-Semites, and rightwing populists
-The quasi-religious notion of having to repent for bigoted views rather than evolving
-How people are unaware of how their subconscious, and factors like social status, shape their political views
-How American society places negative moral value on loserdom
-How Robert subconsciously had the same views he has now from an early age
-Narratives about populism vs elitism, and whether hating the rich is a cope
-Why Matt considers Robert’s philosophical views fundamentally rightwing
-Robert’s Aristocratic Radicalism
-Do we need technocracy to manage social status?
-Matt’s upcoming publishing project, New Ritual Press, which will republish Robert’s novel, Vaporfornia
-How Robert is not emotionally invested in the election
