-How tribal conflicts are different people’s consciousness colliding
-The intersection of genetics and spirituality (eg. different races are different attributes of God)
–The lost tribes of Israel among European peoples
-Why Alex belives that Christ is the son of God
-New York’s Prometheus statue at Rockefeller Center and The Statue of Liberty which represents Mithras
-The Harmony Korine Jersey aesthetic
-How humans are lesser divine entities
-The need for a dualism between tribalism and universalism
–Alex’s Dreamworld and experiences accessing different metaphysical realms
–Colin Wilson’s theories about consciousness and his book, The Outsider
-T.E. Lawrence’s quote, “All men dream: but not equally…The dreamers of the day dream with their eyes open.”
–Pilleater’s viral Safe Sleazy meme
-The inauthenticity of scenes like the Dirtbag Left/Cum Town and Dime Square
-How we were ahead of our time in talking about an alt-left and dissident hipster scene
-Cryptic fascist symbolism from 90s indie bands like Pavement to pop stars like Iggy Azalea
-The esoteric components of sexuality
Robert Stark and Francis Nally (aka Pilleater) talk to The Flower Heart about Asian American culture, and immigration and demographic trends, particularly in the San Francisco Bay Area. The Flower Heart, whose moniker is a Chinese expression for being a player, is a second generation Chinese American who grew up in Oakland’s Chinatown. You can read his articles on Substack.
Topics include:
-The history of Chinese immigration to the US
-The divide between older Cantonese and more recent Mandarin speaking Chinese immigrants, the former which The Flower Heart is from
-How Indian h1bs are replacing Chinese people in Silicon Valley and the degree of tension between those two groups
-Contrasting The Flower Heart’s experiences at diverse Alameda HS and majority White and affluent Miramonte HS in Orinda
-How many Asian youth from the East Bay emulate Black culture
-How The Flower Heart’s mom joked that she sent him to a majority White HS because it was less hypercompetitive than an Asian school
-How White/Asian mixed marriages are more common in White areas like Orinda than in Asian ethnoburbs
-How a mixed Asian/Latino ethnogenesis is forming in certain East Bay cities like San Leandro
-When The Flower Heart’s dad recently sold his house in the majority White suburb of Danville, Indian families purchased every new home
-How the future is ethnogenesis forming along class lines rather than either balkanization or a melting pot
–The gender dynamics between White and Asian couples
-Francis’s demographic observations from New York and Philadelphia
-How most assimilated Chinese Americans are moving to the suburbs
-Is K-pop responsible for rising Asian male desirability?
-Reasons that Asians voted Republican in the past but are now more Democrat
-How Asians are having a political moderating impact on the Bay Area
–Pulling Up The Ladder?-The Child of Immigrants Makes the Case for Moderate Immigration Restriction
–The Flower Heart’s debate with Walt Bismarck over high vs low skilled immigration
-The reasons for conformity and favoring lucrative career paths over self-actualization in Chinese culture
-Why The CCP will invade Taiwan to maintain its legitimacy
-How Seb became interested in HBD and selected his moniker after Arthur Jensen
-Seb’s background, being raised Mormon in Spain to a Mexican dad and a White American mom
-The implications of GWAS testing of genetic variants in normalizing HBD
-Why Seb predicts that HBD won’t be normalized until the 2nd half of the Century due to mass climate migration
-How fertility is starting to converge among the races
-Why fertility is crashing the most in 2nd world nations
–The validity of breeder selection theory, that demographics whose fertility crashes earlier are at a long-term advantage
-The growing fertility gap between liberals and conservatives
-How the middle class being more risk averse than both the wealthy and poor explains their lower fertility
-The degree that assortive mating exaggerates genetic traits among class lines
-How intelligent men tend to select more for facial beauty over secondary sexual characteristics
–The reasons for the decline in Mormon fertility
-Whether racial mixing will make society more or less racist in the future
-How non-mixed Whites are bifurcated between woke or colorblind and identitarians
-How Seb predicts Whites, Hispanics, and Asians to a lesser degree, to mix into one same race, while Blacks remain separate
-How mixed race people with White fathers often have different personality types than those with White mothers
-How automation/AI may ease selection pressures against those who are unemployable due to intelligence or personality traits
–The implications of gene editing/embryo selection in the future
-Why Seb is not a hereditarian reductionist which undercounts the importance of nurture
-Why the incel issue is getting much worse in the US than in other developed nations
-Why wokeness is declining in the short term but may resurge in the long term
–Why Seb predicts that society will neither collapse nor get better
Topics include:
-How rural areas are treated like internal colonies
-How the rural vs urban divide plays out in dissident politics
–Sam Francis’ Leviathan and Its Enemies and James’ Burnham’s Managerial Revolution
-The class divide in dissident politics
–The smart but poor demographic who don’t fit in with proles
-How both Robert and Mr. Raven share a downwardly mobile upper class and bohemian background
-Whether America has any aristocratic attributes as a mercantile nation
–The formation of ethnic and cultural enclavism
-How an economic downturn could accelerate enclavism
-Whether enclavism would lead to neo-feudalism
-Why Mr. Raven is skeptical of Curtis Yarvin’s idea of corporate run enclaves
-Why distributism and mutualism are superior economic systems to capitalism and socialism
-Mr. Raven’s essay on Medieval Craft Guilds
-How guilds can address problems of jobs, education, and credentialism
-The need for a tripartite system where different social castes share power
-Misconceptions about the High Middle Ages
-Hans Hermann Hoppe’s, Democracy: The God That Failed, a defense of decentralized aristocracy over centralized democracy
-How resource scarcity could breakdown mass society in the future
–Whether technology will continue to be a force for centralization in the future
–Mr. Raven’s essay on beauty and the role of aesthetics in politics and society
-How America undervalues aesthetics as a hustler society
-Why old money people are superior to new money strivers
-How old money vs new money struggles play out in politics
-The class dynamics in California
-Mr. Raven’s observations on living in San Francisco in 1991
-Why neither Robert nor Mr. Raven voted for Trump
-The case for Trump as a placeholder for preventing the other side from doing bad things
-The economics of the arts
-The problem of conservatives and populists being philistines on art and culture
-Art fascists, Wyndham Lewis, Ezra Pound, and the Italian Futurists
-The segment of the dissident right that is more culturally sophisticated
-Why Enclavism needs a pluralist dualism of diverse downtowns with homogenous bedroom communities
-Whether the AI/tech bubble is overhyped
-Competing narratives about accelerating innovation in AI vs technological stagnation
-Robert’s initial prediction that Kamala will win and why Meta Ronin thinks Trump will win (Note: this was recorded about a month ago. Robert’s current prediction is about 55% Trump win/45% Kamala win)
-Whether Substack is turning into Twitter
-Whether AI/automation will select for people who are more charismatic Chads rather than nerds
-Mark Zuckerberg’s archetype and his recent rebrand to humanize his image
-How the view that elites are evil is a cope but has some partial truth
-Why streamlining bureaucracy into UBI makes more sense than mass wealth redistribution
-The argument that UBI could be exploited as a State mechanism of control
-Whether taxing the wealthy more is dysgenic
-The genetic traits selected for by wealth from sociopathy to beauty
–What would the Great Class Swap look like if implemented?
-The film series, Zeitgeist and Fully Automated Luxury Communism
-How the poor are used to scare the middle class into compliance
-How the high cost of living in California selects for conformity
-The pros and cons of both YIMBY and NIMBY policies in California
-How both Meta Ronin and Robert have been exposed to a wide range of class backgrounds, which is the case for artists
-Why middle class people are often boring
-Why bottom up populism rarely succeeds
-How sexuality is often transactional and commodified
-The hypothetical scenario of incels orally servicing high status women
-The intersection of mysticism and sexuality
-The debate about the ethics of letting sexual deviants carry out their fantasies with AI
-How mate selection can often have negative evolutionary outcomes
-How men and women are different spiritually
-How both AI and natural beauty can alchemize the Jungian anima
-Meta Ronin’s life in very scenic Lake Chelan, Washington
-How aesthetics are a great way to win people, especially women, over to your political cause
–Kashif Vikaas’s Meta Right/Meta Modernism project
-Terrence McKenna’s prediction that AI will become a planetary nervous system
-How feasible is it to become financially successful on Substack?
Topics:
-Whether Robert should write an auto-biography or insider history of the Alt-Right
-The Background of Richard Hanania, who transformed from an Alt-Rightest to a pro-immigration libertarian neoliberal
-How both Robert and Richard are honest about their trajectories in a way that most people aren’t
-Meeting Richard Hanania in LA
-How Robert never explicitly identified as Alt-Right, and his earlier views weren’t actually that extreme
-How anti-intellectual Chuds have ruined the online dissident right discourse
-Matt’s political trajectory, voting for Hillary Clinton, and then coming across Robert’s podcast in 2018
-Robert and Matt’s Alt-Center project, after the collapse of the Alt-Right
–How Robert and Matt manifested Dime Square
-How Robert’s views were shaped by class and demographic dynamics in LA
-How Robert felt pressure to signal to more reactionary viewpoints
-Robert’s promotion of enclavism and phase where he adopted the rhetoric of the multicultural left
-Why Robert now has contempt for conspiracy theorists, anti-Semites, and rightwing populists
-The quasi-religious notion of having to repent for bigoted views rather than evolving
-How people are unaware of how their subconscious, and factors like social status, shape their political views
-How American society places negative moral value on loserdom
-How Robert subconsciously had the same views he has now from an early age
-Narratives about populism vs elitism, and whether hating the rich is a cope
-Why Matt considers Robert’s philosophical views fundamentally rightwing
-Robert’s Aristocratic Radicalism
-Do we need technocracy to manage social status?
-Matt’s upcoming publishing project, New Ritual Press, which will republish Robert’s novel, Vaporfornia
-How Robert is not emotionally invested in the election
–Why Deep Left is on the Left
-The growing left-right divide over the role of America’s institutions
-Why not all wars are the same, and liberal-led wars have been more successful
-Deep Left’s support for a North American Union and military integration with Mexico
-Trump as a product of a process that begun with Reagan allying with Evangelicals
-Contrasting Trump’s populist anti-globalist campaign of 2016 with his more conventionally conservative 2024 campaign
-Why Trump’s racist comments about Haitian migrants are crude and politically ineffective
-How Trump is harsh rhetorically but lacks effective policy action, while Biden is the opposite of that
-How the migrant crisis is Biden’s main shortcoming
-Trump’s failure to solve the opioid crisis which requires nationalized solutions
-The GOP transforming into a multi-racial male-dominated working class integralist party
-Why Mark Robinson should own his online comments
-How Silicon Valley has warmed up to the GOP, as an empty vessel that is malleable
-The growing Catholic influence on the Right
-Will the GOP embrace welfare nationalism?
-Why high skilled immigrants from India and East Asia are the future of the Democratic Party
-Deep Left’s ideal immigration policy to have open immigration with NATO nations with an annual 1k cap for all other nations
-How Trump is cozying up to oligarchs to escape Jail and build a future dynasty
-How Democrats are becoming more hierarchical and technocratic, and intolerant of any dissenters
-Whether BLM and wokeness were a color revolution?
-How conservatives complaining about double standards between the treatment of Jan 6th and BLM riots is ironically leftist thinking
–Why Deep Left is not a centrist and Radical Centrism is not viable
-Deep Left’s proposal to create a greater Brahmin class via academia, independent of profit motives
-The study of human genetics and hereditability
-Why the pro-life cause is radically egalitarianism and impractical
-How the job market does not match up with the cognitive abilities of the populace
-Hypothetical proposal to push natalism on the wealthy
-Why Deep Left predicts Kamala will win
Alexander Ohnemus is an anti-racism/critical race theory advocate from Sacramento, California. He is a follower of the philosopher, Karl Popper, believing in negative utilitarianism (minimizing suffering), open society, and critical rationalism. Check out Alexander’s articles on Substack and Research Gate.
Topics:
-Alexander’s stance on genetic hereditarianism and how it relates to Racial Equity/CRT
-How colorblind meritocratic arguments are insufficient in explaining social stratification and inequalities
-The concept of Implicit Bias
-Why White people are better off in an Open Society
-How CRT/racial equity relates to a declining White population
-Whether Whites will become more ethnocentric and reactionary as a minority
–Alexander’s proposal to use Transhumanism (eg. artificial wombs) to increase the NW Euro White population to pay for reparations
-Whether this proposal could bridge the Left/Right divide
-Why a more progressive society requires progressive White people to reproduce more
-Whether the Left will allow for positive White Identity Politics (eg. White Guys for Kamala)
-Examples of policies where the Left is better for Whites (eg. work from home boosted White fertility)
-Enclavism/balkanization vs. racial integration in California
-Why reciprocity and harm avoidance are the key foundations for good race relations
-Why the Left is overall better for neurodiversity (eg. disability benefits and autistic people getting more lenient sentences from liberal judges)
-How autistic people are disproportionately harmed by speech codes
-How asexuality is part of LGBTQI and different from the incel issue
-Why incels should stop blaming people who reject them and join LGBTQ
-How artificial wombs could help both asexuals and incels in the future
-How dysgenics leads to Social Darwinism and reactionary societies
-Alexander’s universalist theological views and his book Highly Theoretical Differential Equations of the Afterlife
-How belief in reincarnation enforces social stratification (eg. Hindu Caste system and Plato’s Republic)
-Neville Goddard, New Thought, and the potential risks of manifesting
Robert Stark and Francis Nally (aka Pilleater) talk to Kitemporal about philosophy, class, eugenics, sexuality, and gender roles. Kitemporal describes himself as a Radical Leftist, individualist, and eugenicist. Subscribe to his Substack and follow him on Twitter/X.
Topics include:
-Why Kitemporal calls himself a leftist, even though the left and right are arbitrary terms
-How managerial liberalism stifles human potential and is dysgenic
–The backrooms as a metaphor for managerialism
-Why deconstruction is a valuable tool and can have anti-liberal results
-Why the Right has more respect for Bolsheviks than liberals
-How eugenics can be used for egalitarian aims (eg. breeding out toxic masculinity)
-Why Kitemporal calls himself a natalist nihilist
-The pros and cons of eugenics based on class
-Fertility trends by class
-Do libertarians, nerds, and artists have the lowest fertility?
-Beauty dysgenics
-Eurasians as a distinctly upper middle class ethnogenesis
-Why Kitemporal disagrees with the Ancient Problemz show that guys getting oral is upper class coded but rather macho coded
-How the normalization of fetishes makes them less transgressive
-The Ahegao face meme
-Whether low status men going down on high status women can ease the incel issue and perhaps class warfare
-How anything can be normalized as high status to NPCs
-The latent bisexual undercurrents in rightwing politics
-Kitemporal’s new money redneck background
-Kitemporal’s esoteric proposals for gender roles
-How granting women the option of taking on full male gender roles discredits feminism
-Kitemporal’s religion of Dynostiscism