-How tribal conflicts are different people’s consciousness colliding
-The intersection of genetics and spirituality (eg. different races are different attributes of God)
–The lost tribes of Israel among European peoples
-Why Alex belives that Christ is the son of God
-New York’s Prometheus statue at Rockefeller Center and The Statue of Liberty which represents Mithras
-The Harmony Korine Jersey aesthetic
-How humans are lesser divine entities
-The need for a dualism between tribalism and universalism
–Alex’s Dreamworld and experiences accessing different metaphysical realms
–Colin Wilson’s theories about consciousness and his book, The Outsider
-T.E. Lawrence’s quote, “All men dream: but not equally…The dreamers of the day dream with their eyes open.”
–Pilleater’s viral Safe Sleazy meme
-The inauthenticity of scenes like the Dirtbag Left/Cum Town and Dime Square
-How we were ahead of our time in talking about an alt-left and dissident hipster scene
-Cryptic fascist symbolism from 90s indie bands like Pavement to pop stars like Iggy Azalea
-The esoteric components of sexuality
Robert Stark and Francis Nally (aka Pilleater) talk to The Flower Heart about Asian American culture, and immigration and demographic trends, particularly in the San Francisco Bay Area. The Flower Heart, whose moniker is a Chinese expression for being a player, is a second generation Chinese American who grew up in Oakland’s Chinatown. You can read his articles on Substack.
Topics include:
-The history of Chinese immigration to the US
-The divide between older Cantonese and more recent Mandarin speaking Chinese immigrants, the former which The Flower Heart is from
-How Indian h1bs are replacing Chinese people in Silicon Valley and the degree of tension between those two groups
-Contrasting The Flower Heart’s experiences at diverse Alameda HS and majority White and affluent Miramonte HS in Orinda
-How many Asian youth from the East Bay emulate Black culture
-How The Flower Heart’s mom joked that she sent him to a majority White HS because it was less hypercompetitive than an Asian school
-How White/Asian mixed marriages are more common in White areas like Orinda than in Asian ethnoburbs
-How a mixed Asian/Latino ethnogenesis is forming in certain East Bay cities like San Leandro
-When The Flower Heart’s dad recently sold his house in the majority White suburb of Danville, Indian families purchased every new home
-How the future is ethnogenesis forming along class lines rather than either balkanization or a melting pot
–The gender dynamics between White and Asian couples
-Francis’s demographic observations from New York and Philadelphia
-How most assimilated Chinese Americans are moving to the suburbs
-Is K-pop responsible for rising Asian male desirability?
-Reasons that Asians voted Republican in the past but are now more Democrat
-How Asians are having a political moderating impact on the Bay Area
–Pulling Up The Ladder?-The Child of Immigrants Makes the Case for Moderate Immigration Restriction
–The Flower Heart’s debate with Walt Bismarck over high vs low skilled immigration
-The reasons for conformity and favoring lucrative career paths over self-actualization in Chinese culture
-Why The CCP will invade Taiwan to maintain its legitimacy
-The launch of New Ritual Press and Robert’s review of its Spring Equinox Party
-The reception and success of An Odyssey Of Dingbats!
-How the book has multiple references to oral s-x, including some real-life incidents
-What is the proper way to pronounce fellatio?
-Omar’s dream about Matt going down on the actress Jessica Lange
–Omar’s interview on the Soft White Underbelly (Inside The Autistic Mind)
-Omar’s inspiration for An Odyssey Of Dingbats, including as a homage to A Confederacy of Dunces and Story of the Eye
–Omar’s cover feature in the literary magazine, Beyond The Last Estate
-How An Odyssey Of Dingbats is more than silly sex humor and has some deeply emotional moments, as well as surreal horror
-Omar’s artwork which is featured throughout the book
-Omar’s love of David Lynch
-The theme of the grotesque in both David Lynch’s and Omar’s work
-The cliché of people trying to find meaning from Lynch’s work and why art does not need to be explained
-Omar’s hometown, Gardena California, and how places are characters with a life of their own
-The background of why Omar has a southern accent
-How a lot of young Latinos don’t speak Spanish
-The conformity and narcissism among many young people
Topics include:
-How rural areas are treated like internal colonies
-How the rural vs urban divide plays out in dissident politics
–Sam Francis’ Leviathan and Its Enemies and James’ Burnham’s Managerial Revolution
-The class divide in dissident politics
–The smart but poor demographic who don’t fit in with proles
-How both Robert and Mr. Raven share a downwardly mobile upper class and bohemian background
-Whether America has any aristocratic attributes as a mercantile nation
–The formation of ethnic and cultural enclavism
-How an economic downturn could accelerate enclavism
-Whether enclavism would lead to neo-feudalism
-Why Mr. Raven is skeptical of Curtis Yarvin’s idea of corporate run enclaves
-Why distributism and mutualism are superior economic systems to capitalism and socialism
-Mr. Raven’s essay on Medieval Craft Guilds
-How guilds can address problems of jobs, education, and credentialism
-The need for a tripartite system where different social castes share power
-Misconceptions about the High Middle Ages
-Hans Hermann Hoppe’s, Democracy: The God That Failed, a defense of decentralized aristocracy over centralized democracy
-How resource scarcity could breakdown mass society in the future
–Whether technology will continue to be a force for centralization in the future
–Mr. Raven’s essay on beauty and the role of aesthetics in politics and society
-How America undervalues aesthetics as a hustler society
-Why old money people are superior to new money strivers
-How old money vs new money struggles play out in politics
-The class dynamics in California
-Mr. Raven’s observations on living in San Francisco in 1991
-Why neither Robert nor Mr. Raven voted for Trump
-The case for Trump as a placeholder for preventing the other side from doing bad things
-The economics of the arts
-The problem of conservatives and populists being philistines on art and culture
-Art fascists, Wyndham Lewis, Ezra Pound, and the Italian Futurists
-The segment of the dissident right that is more culturally sophisticated
-Why Enclavism needs a pluralist dualism of diverse downtowns with homogenous bedroom communities
-Whether the AI/tech bubble is overhyped
-Competing narratives about accelerating innovation in AI vs technological stagnation
-Robert’s initial prediction that Kamala will win and why Meta Ronin thinks Trump will win (Note: this was recorded about a month ago. Robert’s current prediction is about 55% Trump win/45% Kamala win)
-Whether Substack is turning into Twitter
-Whether AI/automation will select for people who are more charismatic Chads rather than nerds
-Mark Zuckerberg’s archetype and his recent rebrand to humanize his image
-How the view that elites are evil is a cope but has some partial truth
-Why streamlining bureaucracy into UBI makes more sense than mass wealth redistribution
-The argument that UBI could be exploited as a State mechanism of control
-Whether taxing the wealthy more is dysgenic
-The genetic traits selected for by wealth from sociopathy to beauty
–What would the Great Class Swap look like if implemented?
-The film series, Zeitgeist and Fully Automated Luxury Communism
-How the poor are used to scare the middle class into compliance
-How the high cost of living in California selects for conformity
-The pros and cons of both YIMBY and NIMBY policies in California
-How both Meta Ronin and Robert have been exposed to a wide range of class backgrounds, which is the case for artists
-Why middle class people are often boring
-Why bottom up populism rarely succeeds
-How sexuality is often transactional and commodified
-The hypothetical scenario of incels orally servicing high status women
-The intersection of mysticism and sexuality
-The debate about the ethics of letting sexual deviants carry out their fantasies with AI
-How mate selection can often have negative evolutionary outcomes
-How men and women are different spiritually
-How both AI and natural beauty can alchemize the Jungian anima
-Meta Ronin’s life in very scenic Lake Chelan, Washington
-How aesthetics are a great way to win people, especially women, over to your political cause
–Kashif Vikaas’s Meta Right/Meta Modernism project
-Terrence McKenna’s prediction that AI will become a planetary nervous system
-How feasible is it to become financially successful on Substack?
Topics:
-Whether Robert should write an auto-biography or insider history of the Alt-Right
-The Background of Richard Hanania, who transformed from an Alt-Rightest to a pro-immigration libertarian neoliberal
-How both Robert and Richard are honest about their trajectories in a way that most people aren’t
-Meeting Richard Hanania in LA
-How Robert never explicitly identified as Alt-Right, and his earlier views weren’t actually that extreme
-How anti-intellectual Chuds have ruined the online dissident right discourse
-Matt’s political trajectory, voting for Hillary Clinton, and then coming across Robert’s podcast in 2018
-Robert and Matt’s Alt-Center project, after the collapse of the Alt-Right
–How Robert and Matt manifested Dime Square
-How Robert’s views were shaped by class and demographic dynamics in LA
-How Robert felt pressure to signal to more reactionary viewpoints
-Robert’s promotion of enclavism and phase where he adopted the rhetoric of the multicultural left
-Why Robert now has contempt for conspiracy theorists, anti-Semites, and rightwing populists
-The quasi-religious notion of having to repent for bigoted views rather than evolving
-How people are unaware of how their subconscious, and factors like social status, shape their political views
-How American society places negative moral value on loserdom
-How Robert subconsciously had the same views he has now from an early age
-Narratives about populism vs elitism, and whether hating the rich is a cope
-Why Matt considers Robert’s philosophical views fundamentally rightwing
-Robert’s Aristocratic Radicalism
-Do we need technocracy to manage social status?
-Matt’s upcoming publishing project, New Ritual Press, which will republish Robert’s novel, Vaporfornia
-How Robert is not emotionally invested in the election
Robert Stark and Francis Nally (aka Pilleater) talk to Kitemporal about philosophy, class, eugenics, sexuality, and gender roles. Kitemporal describes himself as a Radical Leftist, individualist, and eugenicist. Subscribe to his Substack and follow him on Twitter/X.
Topics include:
-Why Kitemporal calls himself a leftist, even though the left and right are arbitrary terms
-How managerial liberalism stifles human potential and is dysgenic
–The backrooms as a metaphor for managerialism
-Why deconstruction is a valuable tool and can have anti-liberal results
-Why the Right has more respect for Bolsheviks than liberals
-How eugenics can be used for egalitarian aims (eg. breeding out toxic masculinity)
-Why Kitemporal calls himself a natalist nihilist
-The pros and cons of eugenics based on class
-Fertility trends by class
-Do libertarians, nerds, and artists have the lowest fertility?
-Beauty dysgenics
-Eurasians as a distinctly upper middle class ethnogenesis
-Why Kitemporal disagrees with the Ancient Problemz show that guys getting oral is upper class coded but rather macho coded
-How the normalization of fetishes makes them less transgressive
-The Ahegao face meme
-Whether low status men going down on high status women can ease the incel issue and perhaps class warfare
-How anything can be normalized as high status to NPCs
-The latent bisexual undercurrents in rightwing politics
-Kitemporal’s new money redneck background
-Kitemporal’s esoteric proposals for gender roles
-How granting women the option of taking on full male gender roles discredits feminism
-Kitemporal’s religion of Dynostiscism
Robert Stark talks to Matt Pegas about his book, The Black Album. The Black Album is a collection of essays and short stories, both fiction and non-fiction. The book deals with themes, including alienation, masculinity, incels, serial killers, spirituality, alchemy, philosophy and aesthetics.
Topics:
-the inspiration for the title from Joan Didion’sThe White Album and the music trope of color-coded albums
-Mass shootings as a metaphysical attack against reality
-The context of Matt writing himself into fictional stories
-Adapting to writing with time limitations
-Matt’s struggles with serial killer OCD and POCD in adolescence
-the gnostic component to psychology and mental illness
-Jefferey Dahmer and the trope that the weird loner is the most dangerous
-the archetype of the Emo
-coping with malaise and dissatisfaction with life
-transcript of a disturbing correspondence involving an online follower
-Matt’s essay, Renaissance of The Ritual
-Foundational thinking over Traditionalism
-A painting of a failed alchemist and why alchemy is legit
-Matt’s experiences with Tarot, transcendental meditation, and esotericism
-Matt’s Essay, David Lynch, Bronze Age Pervert, and the possibility of inner freedom
-Matt’s thought experiment of a based Marianne Williamson or BAPist version of Steiner schools
-Matt’s essay, The Politics of Aesthetics Revisited
-The esoteric significance of Las Vegas
–Revisiting Alt-Centrism
-How Robert and Matt manifested Dime Square in 2018
Topics:
–Colin Wilson’s study of consciousness
-Robert’s art, Substack writings, and novels
-Mark Fisher’s Capitalist Realism
–Robert’s case for Theosophy
-Robert’s mystical experience at June Lake
-contrasting Neoplatonism and Gnosticism, in their approach to theurgy, aesthetics and the natural world
-can ugly things be beautiful or divine?
-channeling the fire of youth
-revisiting Robert’s first podcast with Matt from 2018
-rediscovering the song, 9pm (Till I Come)
-occultist, genetic, political, and social dynamics to oral acts
-A critique of the moral authoritarianism and lack of pluralism of Abrahamic faiths
-how we should approach occultism
-prediction that America will have another religious revival
–California’s pan-enclavism
-thoughts on neo-reactionary critiques of democracy, the case for proportional inequality, and how to select elites
-the Art Fascist vs the Warrior Fascist